Rmoney performed admirably debating both his two opponents.. the president .. and the exalted Ms. Crowley. It seems Ms. Crowley won the debate seeing that she got the last word as well as the fondling applause. What this debate severly lacked was lamp posts, ropes, and angry mobs.

Not that she orMartha had any intention of not influencing the event, it was clear they got the memo 'DO NOT under any circumstances leave our guys hanging in the wind

No matter what side your on a "moderator" interrupting to defend a candidate with a prop no doubt provided by that candidate has to get you going

So in debate 3 do we get the moderator from FOX news? Yeah right

Poor Jim had a flashback to when he was a Journalist and he will no doubt be asked to retire soon.... For health and family reasons of course, but he was the best moderator of the most civil and informative debate I think I have ever seen.

Candy C. made the League of women voters most honored and esteemed list. Expect the LWV will have a Candy Crowley memorial scholarship for gender preferenced selection very soon for promising Progressives. The lie never ends.

I'm going with my revised assessment.. Obama isn't an ideologue as I thought and conventional wisdom has it. He is truly a dangerous Narcissistic Sociopath. He meets all the psychological criteria. Those that follow think he's a vogue figure as well as a visionary .. as the same Ivy league academics that were reading Mao's Little Red Book on the banks of the Charles in the 60's and those at the compound called "Jonestown" in British Guyana that drank the spiked Kool-aid in the 70's . Like ferrite filings .. those that are bi-polar or are not grounded but are drawn by the magnetic flux towards the extreme poles. Now, we all reside in Jonestown, but some of us will pile into the early plane and vote ourselves outer here.

If Romney's answers make more sense then answer me this
1. Flipper said under his plan the top 5% would still pay the same 60% of federal income taxes. so where is the break for the middle class that he promised?
2. Numerous independent groups have looked at the Romney plan and said if you cut ALL deductions you would still cost the governments anywhere from $1-2 billion. So coupled with the $2 billion increase in defense spending, and the tax cuts for the wealthy this totals $5-6 billion - how do you plan to balance the budget?
3. Which Romney energy plan do are you referring to - the one where he stood in front of the coal burning Salem Station and said "this plant kills. We are going to shut it down" or the Romney that now embraces coal?
4. The Romney that, during the primary season, opposed Lucy Ledbetter (Paul Ryan in fact voted against it) or the Romney that now supports it?
5. The Flipper Romney that support universal health care as a Governor, but now opposes it even when people are unjustly denied coverage?
Is this the best the Republicans can do?

Gene - let's just say I like his lies better that those of the President and leave it at that. Since Romney was Governor here, both candidates are well known to those of us who've been paying attention.

A politicians job is to represent and advance the desires and needs of his constituents. Shutting down Salem Station is what the constituents wanted. As president his constituents are the people of the entire country, not just our tiny little state. Representing the desires and needs of the country may require that he shift his stance from when his was governor. It's not flip-flopping, it's adapting to a changing situation. Also, coal has become much cleaner since Salem Station was built and gas wasn't over $4 a gallon. All current forms of energy come with their dangers. The country needs to be clean burning coal.

What the hell were you watching last night, the Yankees game? Pay attention. Obama completely hit it out of the park last night. Your statement is based on what? It's not emperical evidence. Get out of the right winged bubble. He was very presidential last night.

The Wizard of Oz analogy is perfect. He has been exposed. He was much better last night and knew his scripted lines. However, the bottom line is this: he can't defend his record and has not shown a plan or agenda for a second term.

Seriously, other than raising taxes on 2% of all households (over 250K) do we have any idea on what he would do with four more years? One specific plan other than the boiler plate about infrastructure and education? He wants to be reelected for the sake of it. One more notch for his belt before he heads off to do lectures and sit on boards for big money.

Jeff, how dare you have an opinion of your own! Your not supposed to think for yourself! Just be told that you didn't see what you saw and do as your told!
How dare you think for yourself! Most Obama supporters don't have to do that, why should you?

Jeff is correct. Anyone who has been around for a while and is paying attention knows that Obama is a fraud and a liar. Romney exposed this very forcefully last night . Good job Mitt. Keep educating those who don't admit this past 3 plus years has been a liberal caused disaster.

Wow, the batch of Kool-Aid the Liberals are passing out this election season (along with Food Stamps and free citizenship) must be especially potent. For someone, anyone, to not see this guy for what he is, is just stunning. When he leaves office he will be immediately inducted into the Con Man Hall of Fame, sharing that honor with such luminaries as P.T.Barnum, Harold Hill, Frank Abagnale Jr., etc. Truer words have never been spoken than those by Clint Eastwood recently: "Obama Is the Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated on the American People". And if Obama has been, at any time during the past 4 years, "Presidential", then we definitely have to come to an understanding as to just what the meaning of the word truly is. If we can now equate "being Presidential" with "Lying Chicago Thug", then yes you are correct he was Presidential.

Btw, it's "empirical"...

So you will be voting with the 45 percent?
New daily poll, Romney up 51 to 45 percent!
But good news for the Dems., there are still 4 percent undecided.
If they all vote for Obama, he will get within 2 percent of our next president!
Actually, not to bad for the mess he created.
But I doubt it will be that close, they say as many as 70 million people watched these debates and that has changed the polls significantly in favor of Romney.
The only reason Obama was up double didgets in the polls a few weeks ago, was that he has been campaigning for the past two years and spent hundreds of millions of dollars demonizing Romney!
Now that we have seen and heard Romney in person, we all know that he is not the Devil as Obama had portrayed. Just a successful business man and competent leader that our country has been missing for the past 4 years.
I will be with the 51 to 55 percent that vote for Romney!
And in order to see that this change we desperately need really happens, i will be voting for Scott Brown as well! We don't need a senate that continues to obstruct positive change for America!

Democrats currently control the Senate, that's why Harry. Reid is its President.

I think that means you have to vote for Scott Brown to be fair. 1 vote for a loopy lefty (Obama) 1 vote for a moderate with an R next to his name.

You have to I know how important fairness is to you, besides by now even you know Dizzy Miss Lizzy is nothing more than a corporate hachett hack 1%'er

Or are you straight going to admit that as long as there is a D next your name

Foreclosure profits
Screwing coal miners and asbestos victims out of healthcare
Helping giant companies raid and shelter assets intended for employee pensions
Knowingly Falsely claiming a racial preference to get 2 plush jobs

Thats all ok with you eh?

All that makes her a champion of the working man in your eyes??

just a quick point, what do you think about men on the White House staff making 18% higher wages than women...thats a fact....Obama is the liar and tried to cover up Libya disaster.....btw......ANY plan is better than the plan of the last four years...put the kool-aid down.....

MHH101 - lucid and clear, which means of course the Romney folks will not understand it... Put away the sabers, stop building totally unwarrented wweapons systems, etc. and give the already improving economy (anybody checked the stock market numbers recently?) four more years to get its act together....

Ah the classic liberal thinking.

You folks are just too stupid to understand how smart we are.

Improving economy is a very loaded term. Is unemployment really 7.8 sure if you don't count any info from California and youve always get to make up youe "sessional" adjustment factor for good measure

In an administration well known for exerting its influence surprise surprise one of the last sets of unemployment numbers shows a radical drop in the mythical rate! Shocking!

Is the stock market up, well yes from it's post Obama election dive its up, but stocks reflect the relative value of companies as an investment not specifically the overall economy.

One might argue that Romneys debate performances and rising poll numbers are creating speculation or confidence about Romney Administration

Well said! I'm sick of these liberals that keep spouting tax cuts as something that creates dept. stop spending money we don't have, cut wasteful spending, and keep tax rates low for everyone, and we could have a robust economy in which we all will benefit from, including the middle class and poor due to greater opportunity!

And adding insult to injury.. all this is done with cash borrowed from those we protect. The expansion of 800+ US military bases in 130 countries should prompt a serious "What for?" if not a "What else" question. The cold war ended 25 years ago.. and the US is still paying the vast majority of NATO's pile-on when the Europeans only fund 1.5% of their GDP on their entire defense? Why do we have 4 Carrier Groups in the Persian Gulf protecting the shipping lanes for the benefit of Europe, Japan and China without any compensation? Why is our Navy paying to be based and protects the gambling palaces of Bharain? South Korea is an affluent country.. they can pay us for the 40,000 US troops stationed there .. or even better - defend themselves. What congressional legislation authorized overt military air action in 6 Arab countries and who knows what boots are on the ground and the extent of back-channel cash? .

Great idea lets go back to an isolationist policy that worked out sooooo very well in the past.

I like the idea of becoming a nation of mercenaries even better, what could possible go wrong?

Being the only superpower has some benefits, like having your country's currency be the global standard,

Could we save some defense $$ sure, is Foriegn aid a big % of the annual budget, no; is there plenty of low hanging fruit to go after first: Absolutly

PS why do you think they loan us the money in the first place? Obviously not our credit worthiness

Yeah, I am collecting, a big paycheck from a large financial company. I am in the 2%, just out of the 1%. Bummer I don't fit into your pre-concieved notions for liberals. I am employed, pay high taxes, support my family and don't drive a Prius. I also support the forward thinking that Obama promotes, not the "back to the 50's" ideals of the right. I believe woman should choose for themselves how they handle their own healthcare. I believe woman should be paid the same as men for the same work. Pretty outrageous stuff, I know.

The biggest hypocrisy on the right is that they promote for less regulation in gov't, but only for business not for the individual.

Great deflection (typical, losing on merits change the argument... old Sol would be proud)..,. who said anything about limiting womens choices, other than than Obama via 'obamacare', as a finace guy surely you know the only way to have a guarenteed payer and reduce costs is to ration care???

Surely you've run the numbers and realized Obamacare is specifically engineered to fail (10 years of taxes to providwe 6 years of services) which will result in the crisis requiring a single payer model. I appluad your sucess but lets be honest.

You don't need to worry about $4 Gas, or $5 heating Oil do you?

You have a tax acount, an attorney, investment and fincial planners all working to make sure you pay the lowest possible effective tax .. so what if the nominal rates is 40% your not going to pay that anyway thats only for dummies not smart, compasionate people like you.

Heck you can move your assest or even your family offshore at a moments notice if you want to, and probably even telecommute from Belieze to keep the checks coming in.

I'm sure you probably feel a little guilty about making so much money for manipulating numbers, so supporting ineffective feel good programs helps you sleep, thats fine I get it.

You've got yours, and you to make sure the wrong 'kind' of people don't join the club.

Socio-ecominc class warefare at its best... Give us just enough to make sure we can't leave the plantation.

Bidden was right... he just got the practitioners wrong.

Greenie know so much about me I guess he's livin' in my basement. HA!!!!

Actually I prefer the attic, its warmer, quieter and 4,200 sg ft can seem so cramped :)

I may not know you personally but I know the type all too well.

I always find it interesting that that there are very few "progressives" actually in middle class, but they always seem to know how the middle class should think and live.

I'm willing to bet that even though you passoniately believe we should all be paying higher takes you have never voluntarily paid extra to either the IRS or DOR debt reduction fund.

Why is it that you "progressives" are always so cavilier with other peoples money, but so careful with your own???

Just keep spouting if you say something enough it will be accepted as fact by some.

Hammer is in the 2 percent? He must be a college professor!
Isn't it funny how Elizabeth Warren tells the occupy idiots to protest against the greedy banks because their the reason that they owe so much in college loans?
It wouldn't have anything to do with professors like warren making over 350,000.00
Per year to teach one class would it?
If these kids weren't brain washed by idiot socialist teachers, they would be protesting at every college in America!
Maybe we should be referring to these institutions as " BIG COLLEGE "!
Greed greed greed !

Let me guess hammergjh, you acquire your news from one of these sources: CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, The Daily Show or MsNBC ? The reason I suspect that is, if I didn't look beyond what the Obama administration tells these networks what to tell US, I would be misinformed as well.

on point Steve !!!!!!!!

Sounds more like lack of funding at Suffolk. Every other reputable (that excludes Faux News) analyst still have these states in play.

Doubtful, this group is a private entity within Sufflok and is very well respected and funded. They are often hired to provide internals to campaigns rather than for those for public comsumption because to their excellent prediction record.

If these guys are indeed truely pulling out of some "swing" states somethings up.

Take heart Obamaniacs the electoial collage map is still an uphill climb for Romney but this might mean trouble brewing in CO, WI, NV & NV

Time will tell, if the only visits Obama is making in any "swing" state are fund raisers rather than events/rallies put them in the Romney column.

Each campaign as has much better internal numbers than we will ever see.

You got me.

oh that pesky context thing again.

Governement can not create a viable economy by creating government jobs, but an administreation can act to not stiffle private sector job creation threough productive policy and actions.

Example:
The Keystone Pipeline rejected (ok technically shelved) by the Obama Administration would have created millions of new hires by private contractors and further spun off new or expanded service sector jobs all along its route?

Are those Government Created or Pribate Business Created Jobs simply not prohibited by the Government.

I suppose it comes down to your mindset.

If like Obama you believe in the "you didn't build that business", all things come from the generousity of the ruling elitie mindset your going to call everything a government job regardless if its a pizza deliver driver or a welder on the pipline.

My prediction is that, if Obama's numbers continue to plummet, this administration will (now work with me here because it is my belief that this President will do ANYTHING to win reelection) orchestrate a phony attempt on his life to garner those percentage points he needs to push him across the finish line ahead of Romney. Sounds far-fetched ? Remember Bill Clinton and the movie "Wag the Dog". Obama will do ANYTHING to be reelected and if he does, talk of repealing the 22nd Amendment will follow.

Ah Steve your error is thinking the progressives are not succeeding.

Its really hard to un-ring a bell. Each president had some accomplishments moving us closer and closer to their socialist utopia.

Sure most of Obamacare could be defunded or waivered out president by president, but the likelyhood of a total congressional repeal is not very good unless republicans win the same super-majorities that gave us the "vote now read the bill later" act

We've spent the money, its gone the next President just gets the bill

How very true, thank you for the correction!
Can you just imagine the suffering if America was ignorant enough to give this guy another term? Wow, it gives me a shiver down my spine to just think about it.
Although I do think, that there are enough democrats in the senate that are smart enough to protect their jobs by voting this Obama care out. That is assuming that republicans take back the senate, as I think they will.

Steve, here is ALL you will ever need to know about Liberals. This is, arguably, the most accurate quote I have ever heard to describe Liberals and it was by the late William F. Buckley. His quote is: "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views."

Obama will handle this riots as well as the 'demonstartion' in Benghazi.

Steve: Sorry to say its already started:

I got a cut and paste email article the other day informing that the elections were in jepardy becasue Bain Capitail has invested in a compnay that has invested in a company that makes electronic voting machines for several of the swing states.

IN the last 2 paragraphs they mention that such election fraud is technically / virtually impossible, but only after 4 paragraphs on the relationship between "Bain" and the voting machines.

THEY OF COURSE TOTALLY LEAVE OUT THE FACT THAT BAIN IS CURRENTLY RUN BY ONE OF OBAMA'S BIGGEST BUNDLERS!!!!

If there is fraud whose going to benefit do you think???

Lets not forget about the millions of $$ funneled to ACORN just after the 2008 election.. I wonder what that was for???

This may very well be true! You can't spend nearly six trillion dollars in three years and expect to get that money back any time soon. And then work on the remaining ten trillion over time. It is quite possible we will see a ressesion, or God forbid a depression because of this completly irresponsible administrations policies.
But what we can do, is remove this president and hope that Romney can show some improvement over time, and save us from the point of no return.
This may already be to late, and time will tell, but what we can't do, is have 4 more years of the same! No one really knows how many trillions of dollars Obama care will cost and is sure to throw us over the cliff! I don't want to lose everything I've worked for, do you?
I'm sure hard working Americans would like to avoid losing everything they own as well!

Don't be afraid of the word, its only a broad bucket we all get categorized into.

That said modern Democrats killed bi-partisanship & buried it in a deep hole with the "No New Taxes" trick.

GHWB: reached across the isle and went against his promise not to raise taxes as part of a grand budget compromise with Democrats - new taxes now and we promise to cut spending later.

What did they do??? They got the tax increase, they actaully increased spending ; and then "hammered" GHWB during the reelection campain for breaking his No New Taxes promise.

This was the start of modern Democrats simply disregauarding the traditional legislative process (and widely accepted facts) which continues today.

You remember Clinton's "Worst Economy in 50 years" line of total 'Malarkey' ???

ObamaCare rammed through in the dark of night without any opportunity for anyone D or R to read it.

Joe Biddens disgraceful / disrespectful treatment of Paul Ryan??

Sad to say but its not you mothers Demcrat Party anymore..

You voted for Regan and Obama, both ran uplifting campaigns with a message of change and a brighter future, so that makes sense you like to believe people when they say they wanrt to find solutions.

1 deliveried the other didn't

So are you a liberal or a conservative?? Who cares, waht matters is what you believe is more important Style or Substance??

I HOPE that you see its time for a CHANGE

Greenwood, you explain so thoroughly in such a short format! Thank you for that!
HDS, being a conservative today to some is a bad thing. I have been called a right wing nut because I believe as the tea party does, that America needs to balance it's check book and stop spending money it does not have and can not pay back in our life time.
Since when has it become a " RADICAL" idea to balance ones checkbook? Or run up endless dept on our credit card? It is "OUR " money, make no mistake about it!
Are we trying to break the bank? Then what? Do we all look back after everything is gone and say, God I wish I didn't vote for Obama to a second term.
By then it will be to late!

HDS you are so right about having respect for those whose views differ from your own. To me it feels like in politics that bullying and bigotry are very acceptable. Why do people feel like they need to bad mouth or name call just because they have a different opinion then yours?

Really Diane??? The race card??? Disagreeing with policies that have demonstrably failed (in a huge way) is not racist!!

It's high time to move beyound the superfical and have serious discussions about substance.

Greenwood - 1 . I never said anything about RACE . Bigorty doesn't just refer to just race. part of the defination of it is: stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
So how dare you imply that I have said anything about played the RACE CARD This is exactly what I am talking about Greenwood - 1 You don't know anything about my politics. And just for the record I Didn't vote for Obama and I'm not voting for him this time around either.

Dianne..
Moderation - The virtue that permits all vices. Many opinions due to their implicit nonsense or severe negative consequences do not deserve respect. All opinions are not equal, each must be measured, analyzed, and dealt with in an appropriate rational manner. Toleration of corruption is not an option.

Anne, it also could be that Democrat candidates don't want him to campaign for them. If I'm a Democrat candidate in any given, I would leave the state while he was visiting. This guy is toxic.

Not even Warren

Just for the record...President Obama HAS endorsed Elizabeth Warren.

Quote: Elizabeth Warren will be a strong, tireless and determined advocate for the people of Massachusetts, building on her remarkable record of working to help middle class families get ahead," said Obama. "Her life's work has been helping ordinary Americans get the fair shot they need and deservte. Elizabeth's passionate advocacy on behalf of consumers led to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. The agency is now protecting peopdle from being taken advantage of by powerful companies. I know I can count on Elizabeth to stand with me to create jobs and opportunity for the people of Massachusetts and keep our country moving forward."

I think what Anne has very smartly notied is that Obama is not campaigning with Democrats running to hold the senate.

A very traditional role of the imcumbant.

Either they don't want to be associated with him, or he has his own problems and can't take the time, or He can not be seen with them becasue he despirately needs to hold some of his gains in the middle class.

Either way his abscence is noticeable

Let's review: Democrats have controlled the U.S. House and Senate since 2006 elections and are resposible for all spending. Democrats and Obama extended those evil Bush tax cuts in 2010 after getting crushed in the 2010 elections. Obama has extended Afghan war, Libya, greatly expanded drone strikes, Gitmo, Patriot Act, etc. Obama owns these in 2012. Democrats can't run from thier actions by blaming George Bush.

Anne...such insults. Not a good way to get your point across. This is what Democrats think of Republicans....loud and insulting....

I tried, I really did, but I just can't help myself.

OK Mary, I'll Byte... Just what do 'us guys' have in mind for women???

I've seen Dizzy's Ads but for the life of me I can't figure out what she's talking about either...

Did I miss out on the Reign of Republican Intolerance, when was that exactly??? The only ones I know trying to stiffule dissent are on the left with things like 'Media Fairness' legistation

There are in deed a lot of Democrats in Massachusetts.... Shocking, be careful though your numbers are dropping and more and more elections are becoming contested each cycle.

Can you say Govenor Scott Brown??

White, heterosexual, able bodied males between the age of 21 and 62?

I'm sick of pro-choice activists trying to make pro-life supporters out to be against women's health. For pro-life people it is not about the woman at all, it's about the baby. This is just another way to vilify the people that don't agree with you. If You want to call Romney anti-women's health the the flip side of that coin is that you Mary are pro-murder.

What Mary said is absolutely true. I know it's true because I saw it written on a big shiny postcard that I received in my mailbox last week.

I'm backwoods because my opinion on when human life begins is different than yours? Another deflection straight from the playbook. When someone starts to suggest that a fetus is alive suggest that they must live in the woods. Have you ever seen a 3 month old fetus? It has a brain, hands, little eyes, ears and nose. It is alive and it is a civilized country's responsibility to start protecting it, from you.

Mary, no one is going to change abortion laws, it's a political hot potato!
It will still be your right to kill your child if you so choose. You have to live with that chose, not others, no one really cares what you do with decisions you make regarding "your" child.
This whole debate about woman's health is centered around weather or not contraception should be a " free handout" or not!
I enjoy a cold beer every now and again, but I don't expect you to pay for it!
That would be my responsibility.
As far as bush stealing the election, he also went to war just for oil! He has a pipe that runs from Iraq to his house so that he can heat his home and fill his cars! Honest, I saw it!

Playbook deflection again. Do you actually own a copy of the party playbook? Rule #? - when a republican suggests passing any law remind them that they are against big government as if their platform was pure lawless chaos. Your party wants it both ways too. You want to pretend you are all about people being free to make all their own choices but the you start to tell me what I'm allowed to put in my kids lunch box. Talk about micromanaging people's lives. You are allowed to kill your own baby but don't you dare show up at school with a soda. Republicans want smaller government not no government, deflector. How does my house in the backwoods look from your ivory tower?

Straight from the mouths of the perpetrators of Obamacare comes an accusation that I want to be a decision-maker at doctors appointments.

Telling people what they can eat is Communist not socialist.

Not every republican likes George W. Bush.

My wife is not afraid of anything.

Actually Mary recent Gallop Polls show "Pro-Choice" Americans down to 41%

And Yes the hypocrisy of your side of the isle is amazing, not that there isn't some on both sides; but so blant and just out there wow.

I get it your a single issue voter, the Democrat party's life blood.

To be clear NO ONE is saying you should not have access to birth control, just that if you want to play you need to pay (so to speak)... such a backwards concept of personal responsibility is so awkward.

NO ONE is even saying you can't have an abortion for some reasonable time frame.

I myself am truely Pro-Choice, both of my childern are adopted so it pains me greatly to see abortion treated as just anopther form of birth control and the truly horrific lengths to which it has extended, but I can't force my ideas on you, any more than you should be able to tell me what to feed my kids (oh wait...)

I'm not part of the radical right by any stretch, but I challenge you to make a coherent case for Partial-birth abortion on-demand; are you even familar with the "procedure"???

The problem with Roe v. Wade is it some would consider it bad law assigning rights that simply don't exist in the constitution.

These people in general say "it's not a federal issue, it's a state's rights issue", NOT necessarily that Abortion should be outlawed mind you.

The issue will never be settled becasue just like Gay "Marriage" we are dealing with a defintion of terms.

When does human life begin?

Then you have nothing to fear Sean. The bad Democrats who want healthy food in schools won't be an issue for you. Yay.

Republicans want healthy foods in schools too.

So silly to have an issue with that one Sean.

Liberal playbook rule number ?: Nothing to see here, pay no attention to the little bit of communism we pushed on you, shouldn't you be more concerned with other bigger issues?

Here's an idea....why don't we get rid of the driking age. That way we (or our children) can decide to drink alcohol whenever we or they feel it's appropriate. Yes, we should do that too right? Because children always know what's best for them and we as parents can monitor that.

Mary, cars kill tens of thousands of people every year, lets ban them!
Planes crash and kill people, let ban them!
Hundreds of little leaguers die each year playing baseball, lets ban them from playing!
Bees kill hundreds of people from bee stings each year, let ban them!
Cheap sneakers cause knee and Foot problems for thousands every year, let ban them!
Liberals write rediculess laws that control people's lives, lets ban them!

Yes yes, continue to blur the issue, you're really good at this. Because I don't want to be forced by law to do something means that I don't want to do it. Since I don't want it to be the law that must of course mean I don't want healthy food in schools. Even though I said I want healthy food in schools in an earlier post you continue to deflect and try to make it look like I'm saying schools should serve junk food only. I'm all for improving the health of foods in schools. But it wouldn't be as effective a way to slander republican views to actually discuss the approach. It's far more effective to try to make me look like an evil mastermind in the pocket of the mystery meat industry trying to force fat down childrens gullets in a plot to make them all fat.

Sean, your missing the point here.

Mary has figured us out.... She knows we are either too stupid, or too something to be allowed to make choices for ourselves. It pains her so, that she simply must help us be.. whatever.

We need really smart, enlightened people like Mary to not only tell us whats right, or try and convince us; but more importantly to mandate it into law just so 'people like us' don't get too upiddy.

Really; Sean you should learn your place in this world, and be thankful you get a vote at all (Mary of course will get 2 or 3, isn't early voting grand)

Wait a minute didn't he promise that in 2007/8, obviously that must have been how he thought he was going to cut the deficit in half, rather than double it.

Mary, I relize your mind is completly closed but please consider this.

On the Republican/Conservative side it is fundamentally true that you can think X is a really really good idea, you can encourage it, taut ist benefits, try to convince everyone you know to do it, but at the same time know that mandating X is a complete violation of civil libertys.

You see Mary, if its ok for you to mandaite diet, or healthcare, it must be equally true that I can mandate abortion access.

The two are the same, and mandating virtually anything.

BTW: don't you you realize that the issues you so care about are very likely to be taken away eventually via ObamaCare's cost control panels???

Sure today its free everything but eventually it will have to be Condons instead of costly drugs.... limits on expensive later term abortions etc....

DO you know some of the chief OC panels are already suggesting that Mamograms are not cost effective, especially for younger women?

Dig deeper,past what sounds good and apply old fashion high school logic test.

if P AND Q then ????

Your right Mary, you got me... How could any possibly disagree with any of his policies. I have a deep sedded visceral hatred of someone I've never meet, because of ummmm....ummmmm .... something....whatever.

Please don't try to project your cults hatered of any dissent onto me.

Whats next I'm just a racist or a bigot???

You've always got "I'm rubber, your glue...."

I missed the section of the constitution that discussed government control of healthcare and vegetables. I believe the main frustration with the mandate that requires vegetables and fruit to be placed on every school-lunch food tray is the fact that a large portion of said vegetables and fruit ARE THROWN OUT EACH DAY. The market (i.e. children's desire to actually eat something they want) in action! Once we followed folk wisdom like 'You can led a horse to water but you can't make him drink.' but now, after the government seized health-care and the price consequently exploded, the government limits freedom (what can served) based on an obesitiy crisis it manufactured.

Mary have you seen the veggetables they serve the kids. I've volunteered at my children's schools the 'green beans are canned and look gray, I would never feed my kids that. My kids don't buy the schools lunch because their so called "healthy' lunches don't look that great and they can not taste that great, because I see alot of it going into the trash. Also canned fruit.

Michael, you simply can not use words like "constitution", "resposibility", "individual" during the brainwashing process these are engrained as key words and a progressive drones' brain will simply spin in circles until it lands on 'Hope' or 'for the childern' or 'womens health' etc.....

Your problem is you assuming some legitamate civic's eduction has actually taken place and you can discuss the higher concepts of civil liberity's and responsibilities.

Just look every time you try to point out the unintended consiquences of a mandate Mary's eyes glaze over until she re-boots and lands on its ok be cause we "hope" it will be better "for the childern"

Remeber the typical drone has been taught that its the courts that make laws, congress delivers goodies and the repsent speaks on television.

I know your trying to use her own example hoping she will understand; but your fighting years on inductrination

Even when her own strawmen have spent every last nickle of her money, and taken away all the issues she holds dear there will always be someone else to blame.

You're not going to get through, time to just let go if you ask me.

I'm ok with that.

The cult-like following in todays left always astounds me,

When someone continues to supoprt concepts and ideas that have demonstrably failed every time they have ever been tried throughout recorded history, and does so for frivilous reasons such as it makes me feel good to help, or becasue they know "right from wrong" there is no debating.

Thier just vomitting back what they have been spoon feed from somewhere, and they stopped using their brain for anything other than a hat rack.

I get it Mary, you just don't see the hyprocrisy, or the differnce between a belief/cause vs.a state mandate. It's not your fault really; its been a long battle over the 50-60 years by those seeking a 'social awakening' or 'revolution' in America.

Sad really, when you think that facts and history can be so easily trumped by belief. I guess maybe we do have a state religion afterall.

Like your compatriots I know you always seek to compromise, so Mary I will compromise as you define the term.

We can have only those rights you think we should, and everything else should be outlawed in the name of compasion, hope, change, the childern, whatever you want.

Just be remember entrusting such arbitrary power to the state always comes around to bite your very own behind,

PS: glad your feeling better, its very stresful to have ones cozy little assumptions questioned.

What is sad Greenwood-1, (and truly astounding) is that you accuse others of blindly accepting a spoon fed "reality" without realizing that maybe you are doing just the same thing. It's sort of ironic really. The hard work you have before you, if Romney wins, is the fact that there is a whole bunch of people (possibly half) who don't feel the same way as you and whom you'll have to work with. The same holds true for Democrats if Obama wins. Neither will win by a landslide by the looks of it now anyway and nobody will be able to claim an overwhelming victory no matter what happens. The only way forward is to work with others.

Luckily should Romney win - he's already proven that he can change his mind at a moments notice and give the people what they most want, his performance in these debates have proven it... how do you suppose he became the governor of Massachusetts! I'm glad you support that kind of guy.

HDS, isn't it the presidents job to listen to what the people want, to weigh both sides, make compromises, and then take action to meet the needs of ALL Americans? Do you want a President who has already made up his mind about everything and is going to do what he wants no matter what you want or need?

I agree Sean it is. However, I dont understand how the conservatives embrace this in Romney after years of railing against this quality in democratic candidates. Its great that compromise is now acceptable. I guess you can teach an old elephant new tricks!

HDS,
The only Democrat I've known to compromise is Clinton. I'd vote for Clinton right now over Romney.

20 oz Slurppes today... birth control tommorrow, not all that hard to connect the dots if you ask me, but what do I know; I'm just a pompus wind bag...

Mary. Don't judge all Republicans by the antics of these two commenters. The religious right hijacked the republican party a two decades ago, but that is changing rapidly. Today, these religious nuts represent only a small minority, perhaps 10 to 15% of the active republicans.. the vast majority, more than 85%, are fiscal conservatives, Libertarians, productive laborers that rise at dawn and return home after dusk, and most are just good ole common decent people that like their traditions and constitutional law. Most real republicans are pretty irritated with them and wish they would just go away and stop polluting elections with their fanatical agenda. BTW: Libertarians don't want to be in your wallet or your bedroom, nor even the Dr's office or in your classroom .. and that is the trending direction of the future repubican party.

I should mention since it has been pulled into this conversation that my position on abortion has nothing to do with religion. I think that birth is absolutely amazing and it saddens me greatly to know some lives are being snuffed out before they even had a chance. I believe wholeheartedly in all possible forms of contraception and think it should be 100% covered because we don't need people conceiving if they have no intention of giving that baby everything they've got. Frankly it's much cheaper to pay for birth control than it is to pay for a life-time of social welfare for a child born to bad parents.

Wow I am both a windbag and have joined the religious right, man my calendar is getting full

I hear lots of talk about compromise and tolerance of opposing views, but I'm not feelin the love.... Oh yeah I forgot those are just words.

You guys want an honest discussion, bring facts not feelings

Obama specifically and the Democrat party in general have lied to your face and broken every promise they ever made to you. Yet you continue to mindless pull the lever for them.

I've got an idea, and a feeling that it's the right thing to do for the children.

How about every minority constituant group just decide to pull the lever under the R side for the next 10 years and lets see what happens, you gave them 50 years and basically nothing's changed so how bad could it be?

Just a thought from the Massachusetts chapter of right wing extremist, wing-bag blowviating intolerant arses of America.

Here's the answer. Stop allowing people to come to this country and get on the backs of taxpayers because our government is a bleeding heart.

Sean, I think you take the money, buy some cold beer, invite me, Greenwood, and Michael over to drink it with you, maybe somewhere down in the Caribbean, shall we say Aruba, so that we can play black jack with some of the money, and have a good laugh at Mary's expense! Then we'll thank Obama for the trip, the gambling money, and the beer, and tell him he has our vote!
Lets all live like the other side for a change! Who wants to work? Lets let someone else pay for our good time!

I say we launder through my shell corp in Grand Caymen and the whole things a deductable business loss.

What? Hey, even us lunatic extremist wind-bags gotta eat ya know

Hey, wait a minute...

Steve, How did you get a copy of the Solindra business plan

Greenwood, I have not been able to stop laughing for the last ten minutes from the your last post!

Now there is true bi-partismship for you HDS, Mary feels better, and Steve ends his day on a happy note, humm maybe a new career path?

An interesting statistic: the population of the US 310mil, the number of mobile phones 327mil, the number of people on food stamps 49 mil. This means that millions of people are deciding that it's more important to pay for a cell phone than to pay for their own food.

Sean. Of course, the government gives out free cell phones as well as food stamps.

Mary, let me very simply explain why Liberals are just WRONG about nearly every policy they espouse in this country and why Obama is like a cancer eating away at it. I'm not sure how many people live in your house but just imagine this: every day at least one stranger comes to live with you. YOU (you MARY!) must provide all these strangers needs (food, clothing, put them on your health insurance, car insurance, etc.) but the stranger provides no financial support to you whatsoever. How do you think all that will work out ? THIS is what Barack HUSSEIN Obama is doing to this country and, eventually, if the policies he implemented are carried forward by him and his successors, there will be more and more people "in YOUR house" and fewer and fewer people to support them until the country and the economy goes the way of Greece. How can Liberals NOT understand that simple concept ? I know what your opinions on this are but you are just WRONG ! This is not my opinion, this is common sense, something Liberals seem to have a lack of. Money does not grow on trees.

Channeling Mary (and other socialists)... Are you against fixing highways? That's a core componenet of Obama's next term agenda. You must be racist.

Greenwood, thanks for defending me today, I had to work extra hours today so I could pay my fair share!
That Mary sure is mean spirited!

Glad it was obvious, from your typing I was pretty sure you said "all people who oppose you...." as balnket black and white statement.

re: Food Stamps: yet again YOU ASSUME that becasue someone might want to end the Federal Food Stamp program (not actually what he said either, but I digress) QED that person wants to starve childern (Note the re-boot to the 'it's for the childern' theme).

Maybe a constructive comeback would have been.. Sure but times are really tough right how would you make sure those that really need the help are taken care of???

Re: NRC: Trend is clear the NRC is running as fast as it can towards the Tea Party, which certainly shares some ideals, but obviously it is not called the Libertarian movement.

He is the difference between progressive's and conservative's in a nut shell

Conservatives believe that the more locally revenue is generated to most responsibly it is used and the more services it can provide.

Progressive's "KNOW" that states, localiteies or even worse individuals simply can not be trusted "to do the right thing" so they believe a central planning authority must collect all revenue and then redistribute it through proper channels to those willing to comply with any and all strings attached.

Ever notice how whenever the central authority wants to mandate something unconstitutional, they don't pass a law that would be over-turned they simply link some form of federal $$ to "voluntary" compliance?

Boiling the frog 101

It has nothing to do with my wallet and you still have not answered the question Mary because you don't know.